W+TV point comparison

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I made the "SM codex reveal" W+TV list that was in the community post to see what the points would look like from the codex to what it currently is, and its only 45 pts off 2k? I'm not seeing how they have become a more elite army type in that regard?

200·Updated 19h ago by Trulove

Strike Force2,000 limit

1,955pts

Units

Models

1/3

The read

Anti-horde sits in the top 4%, spread across the list; mobility is in the bottom 10%.

«the top 4%» means above roughly 96% of sampled reference list shapes for that capability — a comparison, never win odds.

Shapevs the p50 ring

The shape, not the verdict. Area is not a score — two lists with the same area can play nothing alike. The bars beside it are the reading that counts, and each spoke is this list's percentile under baseline assumptions.

Every axisabove averagebelow

Open a row to see the units behind it.

Strength · Anti-horde

Exceptional against massed infantry — top 4% of lists

Top 4% · 9.03 per 100 pts · mostly Desolation Squad (17%)

180 pts

Strength · Anti-infantry

Exceptional against line infantry — top 10% of lists

Top 10% · 5.03 per 100 pts · mostly Roboute Guilliman (19%)

355 pts

Strength · Anti-elite

Strong against elite infantry

Above average · 2.55 per 100 pts · mostly Roboute Guilliman (15%)

355 pts

Gap · Mobility

Slow to reposition

Bottom 10% · 0.56 per 100 pts · best available: Rhino (11%)

65 pts

Estimates from weapon profiles alone — terrain, mission scoring, stratagems and target priority are not modelled.

Battle readinessheuristic, not a score

Threat coverageStrong

Answers 4 of the four target archetypes at or above average.

Mission scoringAdequate

13 scoring bodies, 65 OC on the table at deployment.

Delivery and reachAdequate

No Deep Strike, 0% of the points off the table turn 1.

Staying powerThin

Average T4.8, 3.6 W per model and 2 units with an invulnerable save.

Matchup lensthe same axes, re-weighted

78weighted percentile

What carries it

Anti-hordep96 ×.2

Anti-infantryp90 ×.2

Anti-elitep74 ×.2

Plan around

Anti-horde is the clearest answer here; Objective control is the pressure point to plan around.

Rules package3 read

Detachment ×2Warlord ×1

The army, detachment, enhancement and leader rules the maths read — including 2 conditional ones it did not fold into the numbers.

Which rules, and the stratagems they unlock

Detachment

Nowhere to Hideconditional
Nowhere to Hideconditional

Warlord

Warlord designation

Stratagems these units can trigger

Adaptive Operations1 CP

Legal-looking opportunities for these units and phases, not automatic bonuses — board state, CP and the exact trigger still decide.

Composition & risk

Points on the table turn 1: 1,955(100%)
In reserves: 0(0%)
Scoring bodies on the table: 13
Largest single investment: Roboute Guilliman(18%)

Redundancy, special tools and leaders

Who carries each answer

anti-hordeDesolation Squad17%
15 units contribute
anti-infantryRoboute Guilliman19%
15 units contribute
anti-eliteRoboute Guilliman15%
15 units contribute
anti-armourRoboute Guilliman17%
15 units contribute

No single unit owns an offensive answer — losing any one of them leaves the list functional.

Special tools

Scouts1
Infiltrators3
Lone Operative2
Indirect Fire1
Precision2
Battleline1

Leader groups

Roboute Guillimanunattached
Captain → Victrix Honour Guard
Lieutenant with Combi-weaponunattached

Secondary mission fit18 cards vs this list's shape

8Good5Possible5Difficult

Good — The list has several independent ways to meet this condition.

A Grievous Blow
Bring It Down
Burden Of Trust
Cleanse
Display Of Might
No Prisoners
Overwhelming Force
Secure No Man's Land

Possible — The list can attempt this, but it depends on positioning or a key unit.

A Tempting Target
Defend Stronghold
Engage On All Fronts
Forward Position
Plunder

Difficult — This condition is hard to support with the current list shape.

Assassination
Beacon
Behind Enemy Lines
Centre Ground
Outflank

Fit is about list shape, not about what you will draw. A «difficult» card is still scorable — it just needs the game to go your way.

The read

Anti-horde sits in the top 4%, spread across the list; mobility is in the bottom 10%.

«the top 4%» means above roughly 96% of sampled reference list shapes for that capability — a comparison, never win odds.

Shapevs the p50 ring

Every axisabove averagebelow

Open a row to see the units behind it.

Strength · Anti-horde

Exceptional against massed infantry — top 4% of lists

Top 4% · 9.03 per 100 pts · mostly Desolation Squad (17%)

180 pts

Strength · Anti-infantry

Exceptional against line infantry — top 10% of lists

Top 10% · 5.03 per 100 pts · mostly Roboute Guilliman (19%)

355 pts

Strength · Anti-elite

Strong against elite infantry

Above average · 2.55 per 100 pts · mostly Roboute Guilliman (15%)

355 pts

Gap · Mobility

Slow to reposition

Bottom 10% · 0.56 per 100 pts · best available: Rhino (11%)

65 pts

Estimates from weapon profiles alone — terrain, mission scoring, stratagems and target priority are not modelled.

Battle readinessheuristic, not a score

Threat coverageStrong

Answers 4 of the four target archetypes at or above average.

Mission scoringAdequate

13 scoring bodies, 65 OC on the table at deployment.

Delivery and reachAdequate

No Deep Strike, 0% of the points off the table turn 1.

Staying powerThin

Average T4.8, 3.6 W per model and 2 units with an invulnerable save.

Matchup lensthe same axes, re-weighted

78weighted percentile

What carries it

Anti-hordep96 ×.2

Anti-infantryp90 ×.2

Anti-elitep74 ×.2

Plan around

Anti-horde is the clearest answer here; Objective control is the pressure point to plan around.

Rules package3 read

Detachment ×2Warlord ×1

The army, detachment, enhancement and leader rules the maths read — including 2 conditional ones it did not fold into the numbers.

Which rules, and the stratagems they unlock

Detachment

Nowhere to Hideconditional
Nowhere to Hideconditional

Warlord

Warlord designation

Stratagems these units can trigger

Adaptive Operations1 CP

Legal-looking opportunities for these units and phases, not automatic bonuses — board state, CP and the exact trigger still decide.

Composition & risk

Points on the table turn 1: 1,955(100%)
In reserves: 0(0%)
Scoring bodies on the table: 13
Largest single investment: Roboute Guilliman(18%)

Redundancy, special tools and leaders

Who carries each answer

anti-hordeDesolation Squad17%
15 units contribute
anti-infantryRoboute Guilliman19%
15 units contribute
anti-eliteRoboute Guilliman15%
15 units contribute
anti-armourRoboute Guilliman17%
15 units contribute

No single unit owns an offensive answer — losing any one of them leaves the list functional.

Special tools

Scouts1
Infiltrators3
Lone Operative2
Indirect Fire1
Precision2
Battleline1

Leader groups

Roboute Guillimanunattached
Captain → Victrix Honour Guard
Lieutenant with Combi-weaponunattached

Secondary mission fit18 cards vs this list's shape

8Good5Possible5Difficult

Good — The list has several independent ways to meet this condition.

A Grievous Blow
Bring It Down
Burden Of Trust
Cleanse
Display Of Might
No Prisoners
Overwhelming Force
Secure No Man's Land

Possible — The list can attempt this, but it depends on positioning or a key unit.

A Tempting Target
Defend Stronghold
Engage On All Fronts
Forward Position
Plunder

Difficult — This condition is hard to support with the current list shape.

Assassination
Beacon
Behind Enemy Lines
Centre Ground
Outflank

Fit is about list shape, not about what you will draw. A «difficult» card is still scorable — it just needs the game to go your way.